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"I would repeal the legal tender laws and legalize competing currencies" - Gary Johnson

Not everyone can be a Thomas Jefferson or a Ron Paul.

I will continue to work hard within the GOP for local, state and national candidates but unless Ron Paul runs 3rd party I am planning on not only voting for Gary Johnson but maybe even campaigning for him.

4 of us hardcore Ron Paul delegates had a festival a few weeks ago and had candidates for many offices and the only presidential candidate that had representation was Gary Johnson.

His campaign is only as strong people make it. So you can sit on the sidelines which I won't criticize you for but don't pretend to pull planks out of other people's eyes.




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Yeah and Romney says that we should

audit the fed. So I guess I'll run right out and vote for him too. tools . .

...actually

Romney has never supported a full audit of the fed, that was attributed to him by Rand in an interview with Sean Hannity...

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11 states, including NJ with 19m people had not one donation to the GJ campaign listed in their Aug report.
11 states. not one dime.
what does this say?

"OH NO! He has a SON?" Neoconservatives and Liberals EVERYWHERE!

Rand Paul 2016

It says

there is much to do and we have our work cut out for us.

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Positive Sign

Gary Johnson started out at a deficit on some issues, but in the past few weeks has made great strides. Endorsing the states'-rights principle of nullification and pledging to end fiat money are a sign that he is moving in the right direction.

Who knows, maybe he will even win my vote? As of now, Ron Paul is getting my write-in out of love and loyalty, but I can be persuaded.

"Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors, but today we kneel only to truth." - Kahlil Gibran

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It's encouraging that GJ seems to be

learning from libertarian feedback. He has a distance to go, but he seems fairly open to improving his policies.

His humility is the key

I come from something of a political background (Vander Jagt, et al) and have seen a lot of politicians change as they enter public life. The one biggest factor I can attribute to the making of a truly good politician is humility. Those who enter public office believing that they are somehow better and have some wonderful greatness to offer are completely consumed by their pride. Those who enter public office out of shame for what they are forced to represent, being a part of a corrupt town, party, precinct, state, etc., clean up the mess and clean up themselves along the way.

During the 2012 GOP debates, the confidence Ron Paul demonstrated was not in himself. If anything, he was embarrassed in himself. For instance, he said his tax returns might look unusually small compared to the other candidates. The confidence and pride we could feel from Ron Paul was his firm grasp of liberty. It's a simple and basic truth that so few people understand. It's like living in the United States and being surrounded by people who still think the Earth is flat.

Gary Johnson was embarrassed to the point of laughter when asked what kind of reality TV show he would have. Granted it was a really stupid question, but I don't think his difficulty was from the insulting question. I think he felt awkward having the spotlight placed on himself instead of the message he carried.

Rand Paul's voting record is "pretty good". I don't think anybody on the DP could possibly disagree with that fact. But the fact that he's now hiding his face and sneaking to avoid respectful interviews with people who so far haven't shown themselves to twist facts means to me that at most he has something large to hide and that at least he doesn't want to be bothered by the little people. I see in Rand what Yoda saw in Anakin.

GJ has a distance to go, but if his direction is right, then the path will be clear and unavoidable.

Michael Nystrom's fists can punch through FUD.

This shows a really bad understanding of our system

Garry Johnson shows a really bad understanding of the meaning of legal tender.

1) First, legal tender are not laws that you can repeal - it is part of the constitution. It would require a constitutional amendment to remove the requirement for gold and silver to be legal tender.

2) Second, legal tender requirements are there to protect you. They do not mean what you can use to trade. You can use anything you want to trade for something else right now. They mean that it is what the government is required to use in payment of debts or in rendering legal decisions - so they can't stick you with worthless paper money - legal tender.

3) We had competing currencies commonly used throughout the 1800s. We still have competing currencies. It doesn't require government, it just requires people to get off their butts and produce something useful and widely used.

Legal tender does not mean competing currencies. It means, what the government can or can't stick you with itself. People have always been free to trade for anything else they wanted in this country.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Tell that to Bernerd von Nothaus

"People have always been free to trade for anything else they wanted in this country."

Tell that to Bernerd von Nothaus.

There isn't anything magic

There isn't anything magic about money or currency. It's just free trade, and what ends up being commonly used.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Are you sure?

1) First, legal tender are not laws that you can repeal ...

http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view...

Legal tender laws should be repealed at the Federal level.

Yes, I'm sure you can't

Yes, I'm sure you can't repeal the legal tender clause in the Constitution with a law passed under it.

And I'm sure Gary Johnson doesn't know what legal tender means.

He isn't the only one either. Just another in a long string of people.

Legal tender does not mean what is currency.

And Ron Paul has gotten these terms wrong some times as well, or at least was less than clear and confused people. Maybe I should have posted that in the thread "where you disagree with paul at". There is nothing preventing you right now from starting your own lets currency, digital currency, etc. That isn't what legal tender means. You have always been able to trade in whatever you want.

Legal tender has a precise meaning. And it does not mean money, currency, or what you are allowed to trade with (what are we living under, a permission dictatorship?). It has a precise legal meaning, and those things aren't it.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Nothing?

"There is nothing preventing you right now from starting your own lets currency, digital currency, etc."

Nothing but the promise of a cell right next to Bernerd von Nothaus in federal prison.

And there are endless

And there are endless currencies in operation where people aren't in jail. This is FUD. Plenty of Lets systems and digital currencies exist right now. Even a large gift certificate exchange can be viewed as a currency.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Here's my competing currency.

Here's my competing currency. So far so good...

www.getyourmillionshere.com

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

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#21: Carry a Billion Dollar Briefcase around and you have INSTANT leads EVERYWHERE you go. Depending on what you do for a living, you can use the Billion Dollar Briefcase idea to get leads anywhere, day or night! First, here's what it looks like...

With picture of briefcase full of million dollar notes. Lol.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Ron Paul isn't perfect

But I think he knows what he means when he talks about repealing federal legal tender laws. He even cites the specific federal law he's talking about: 31 USC § 5103

http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view...

It wouldn't matter if there

It wouldn't matter if there are unconstitutional laws or claims about what is legal tender, when the constitution defines legal tender.

legal tender isn't what currency is. That is the point.

Currency has existed before governments were ever made.

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

With all due respect.....

It really isn't about Gary Johnson's platform. He is going to get the protest votes anyway.

~Your perception becomes your reality~

hmm..

I remember when the MSM was calling Ron Paul votes "Protest votes."...

You are correct and we have

come a long way since then. BUT...GJ is not even close to RP. :)
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~Your perception becomes your reality~